freethinker81
It's amazing that there are still people out there who claim this is a christian nation and was founded as one(ie, McCain, Palin, etc) Anybody who bothers to do any research will find that the founding fathers where actually not Christians, but rather deist.
If they took the time to read the constitution, god is not mentioned in it even though some tried to urge them to at least mention Christianity such as Luther Martin. In fact the only time that religion is mention is once, and that was in Article VI, Section 3, which stated that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
Now don't you think that if indeed they intended to found a christian nation they might have once mentioned something of the sort in one the most important document of our nations history much less forbidding religion as one of the requirements to serve in government.
Those who think we were founded as a christian nation should also review a document written during the administration of George Washington. Article 11 of the Treaty with Tripoli declared in part that "the government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.. It can be found in "Treaties and Other International Acts of the United States, ed. Hunter Miller, Vol. 2, U. S. Government Printing Office, 1931, p. 365"
"I have diligently perused every line that Washington ever gave to the public, and I do not find one expression in which he pledges, himself as a believer in Christianity. I think anyone who will candidly do as I have done, will come to the conclusion that he was a Deist and nothing more." -- The Reverend Bird Wilson,( an Episcopal minister in Albany, New York, in an interview with Mr. Robert Dale Owen written on November 13, 1831, which was published in New York two weeks later, quoted from Franklin Steiner, The Religious Beliefs of Our Presidents, pp. 27)
Washington did not make his beliefs public and never claimed to be a Christian, and most definitely did not ever kneel down to pray at Valley Forge. This story as well as the infamous story of the cherry tree was made up by Parson Weems, an Episcopal minister who published his biography in 1800. Washington wasn't any even near Valley Forge in 1777 when this supposedly took place.
"The Reverend Bird Wilson, who was just a few years removed from being a contemporary of the so-called founding fathers, said further in the above-mentioned sermon that "the founders of our nation were nearly all Infidels, and that of the presidents who had thus far been elected [George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, and Andrew Jackson] _not a one had professed a belief in Christianity_"
The fact that he attended church and was a vestryman in itself is not evidence since at that time the vestry was also the county court, so in order to have certain political powers, it was necessary for one to be a vestryman. Washington didn't even receive the communion. Even Thomas Jefferson was a vestryman for a time, and he is the furthest thing from a Christian
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
And then there is evidence that in a letter from Washington's granddaughter to Jared Sparks Feb. 26 1833 her justification for claiming he was a christian was when she was speaking of Martha Washington she said "she and her husband were so perfectly united and happy that he must have been a Christian."
Yes he was happily married so he must be Christian... Very logical. So does by that token is every happily married person out there Christian as well?
If they took the time to read the constitution, god is not mentioned in it even though some tried to urge them to at least mention Christianity such as Luther Martin. In fact the only time that religion is mention is once, and that was in Article VI, Section 3, which stated that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
Now don't you think that if indeed they intended to found a christian nation they might have once mentioned something of the sort in one the most important document of our nations history much less forbidding religion as one of the requirements to serve in government.
Those who think we were founded as a christian nation should also review a document written during the administration of George Washington. Article 11 of the Treaty with Tripoli declared in part that "the government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.. It can be found in "Treaties and Other International Acts of the United States, ed. Hunter Miller, Vol. 2, U. S. Government Printing Office, 1931, p. 365"
"I have diligently perused every line that Washington ever gave to the public, and I do not find one expression in which he pledges, himself as a believer in Christianity. I think anyone who will candidly do as I have done, will come to the conclusion that he was a Deist and nothing more." -- The Reverend Bird Wilson,( an Episcopal minister in Albany, New York, in an interview with Mr. Robert Dale Owen written on November 13, 1831, which was published in New York two weeks later, quoted from Franklin Steiner, The Religious Beliefs of Our Presidents, pp. 27)
Washington did not make his beliefs public and never claimed to be a Christian, and most definitely did not ever kneel down to pray at Valley Forge. This story as well as the infamous story of the cherry tree was made up by Parson Weems, an Episcopal minister who published his biography in 1800. Washington wasn't any even near Valley Forge in 1777 when this supposedly took place.
"The Reverend Bird Wilson, who was just a few years removed from being a contemporary of the so-called founding fathers, said further in the above-mentioned sermon that "the founders of our nation were nearly all Infidels, and that of the presidents who had thus far been elected [George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, and Andrew Jackson] _not a one had professed a belief in Christianity_"
The fact that he attended church and was a vestryman in itself is not evidence since at that time the vestry was also the county court, so in order to have certain political powers, it was necessary for one to be a vestryman. Washington didn't even receive the communion. Even Thomas Jefferson was a vestryman for a time, and he is the furthest thing from a Christian
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
And then there is evidence that in a letter from Washington's granddaughter to Jared Sparks Feb. 26 1833 her justification for claiming he was a christian was when she was speaking of Martha Washington she said "she and her husband were so perfectly united and happy that he must have been a Christian."
Yes he was happily married so he must be Christian... Very logical. So does by that token is every happily married person out there Christian as well?
Thank you to freethinker 81 for putting out such an well reached opinion.
amen..lol Yes this article is full of win and I give it an a++++++++
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